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A JRL investigation of the highly controversial fight that is going on in not only the Straight XXX Market but as well as the Gay XXX Market.

Bareback films vs. Condom Films!

I've found that some of the critics of barebacking features are also studios that are releasing bareback features under different labels.

I've also found that gay porn stars who do bareback features for various studios are also doing condom xxx features for gay studios that don't believe in bareback films.  While at the same time, there are studios who are against bareback features and have vowed to never release a bareback feature to the Gay Adult Film Industry Marketplace.

In 2004, the straight side of the adult industry stopped filming for several months after model Darren James was found to have contracted HIV while filming in Brazil. Fourteen actresses who had been in films with James were also quarantined, along with 35 of their partners, in order to control any spread of the virus.

Dr. Sharon Mitchell, who helped found the Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation, told Medical News Today in 2004, that it was very rare for STD’s like HIV to be spread in the industry given the rigorous testing procedures.

AIM health care regularly tests more than 1,200 actors who are working in the adult industry, and prior to this outbreak, there had never been a reported problem, she said.

In an industry that has had its share of problems over the past three (3) years with government agencies inspecting studios for record keeping and anti-gay porn groups picketing stores in various regions of the country, it's hard to believe that studios would criticize one another for their creative content.

We've seen press releases issued from various blogs, producers and gay porn commentators blasting bareback studios for as they put it "Killing off our Young".  We haven't heard from the other side of this argument with the same media coverage that has been given to the anti-bareback campaigns.

While people's opinions vary on this issue, retailers nationwide state that bareback features are a major factor in their profits.  It would be devastating to their overall revenue margin if bareback features both straight and gay were not available to them for their customers.  We've had retail merchants as well as several of the JRL Chart Reporter merchant’s state that people who sell bareback are only in it for the almighty dollar.

At the same time, we've had an equal of amount of both JRL Chart Reporters and retail store merchants’ state that while yes they know it's not a popular genre politically, the demand for bareback content is extremely high.  "This is what their customers want to see".

Several other merchants told this reporter, "If they don't buy it from us or order it from our retail online stores, they'll find it on the internet via personal websites that can be easily found in the search engines on the internet.  Simply type in "Bareback" and you'll have well over 1,000 references for bareback content ranging from Man on Man action to twink action and to bear on bear action.

Retail stores have had to adjust their inventory across the board due to zoning changes in their counties.  Some areas that have retail locations that support gay xxx and straight xxx product are zoned to allow a retailer to only have as much as 30% of xxx content.

Be it Gay or Straight, that's the maximum they are allowed to carry for sale.  Choosing the right product to offer their customers is vital and in today's marketplace, bareback features are taking up a huge chunk of the DVD brands that are found on shelves in stores that support gay xxx entertainment.

Video On Demand providers consistently show strong numbers for bareback films as well as condom features.  Meaning, if one or the other were taken out of the marketplace, the companies would suffer a huge decrease in revenue.

JRL is known for being the leader in Gay XXX Entertainment for our industry and we strive to be neutral and to bring both sides of an issue to you the reader.  We've covered the Pro-Condom side of this argument and now we're going to bring you the Pro-Bareback side.  This way you make your own determinations on this powerful and controversial topic.

Today, JRL brings to you two of the Gay Adult Film Industry's leaders in bareback films.  Please welcome Rob Ragan, Founder and CEO of All Boys Distribution and
Bill Gardner, President of the legendary Hot Desert Knights.

KEITH:  Rob and William, thank you for joining us on JRL today.

ROB:  Thank you for having us Keith, it's a pleasure.

BILL: Keith good to see that JRL is being fair regarding this ongoing controversy and is attempting to provide equal time to both sides of this issue, something that few other publications have had the balls to do. Pleasure speaking with you.

KEITH: This is a subject matter that is very sensitive to some people in our industry for different reasons.  Bill can you tell me how this controversy has affected your business in 2007.

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BILL:  The old adage that; "there is no such thing as bad publicity" holds true regarding the recent controversy.  While the industry seems to be suffering through a drop in sales due to piracy and other factors, our sales of DVD's, DVDdownloads2Own, PPV view income, and membership sites continues to grow at a healthy pace.

KEITH: Rob, We see bareback movies marketed in Canada, Europe as well as the Middle East, South America and the United States.  Is the exploitation of bareback films going to get larger or do you see it scaling down with all of the negative press associated with it?

ROB:  As Bill said Keith, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Adult films are a fantasy world; I think that's what's driving the bareback market. People by nature want to see or do what they can’t. I think as long as it's available, bareback films will outsell condom 3 or 4 to1, that's just the way it is.

KEITH: Bill, we've seen models coming forward stating their opinions on barebacking films as of late.  As a matter of fact, our own Jeff Livingston (staff writer of JRL) just interviewed Jarett Foxx and barebacking came up in that discussion.  Do you get negative vibes from models regarding barebacking in your films? Or, do you see models making their own decisions to shoot bareback or not to shoot it?  In other words, are you forcing them to perform bareback scenes?

BILL:  The thought that we force a model to perform bareback is ludicrous.  In the nearly 10 years we have been in business we have never recruited a model.  We have an online application for models.  At any given time we have approximately 600 active applications on file.  Models, who have filmed for the likes of Falcon, Rascal, Catalina, Titan, etc., have contacted us to ask about filming for us.  The comment we hear most often from the guys is that they are sick of the hypocrisy they see at some of these other studios.  For example, they are permitted to engage in unsafe (condom less) less while preparing for a scene, but then when the cameras are turned on....the condoms come out!

KEITH: Rob, let's focus on your side of the business for a moment.  You are the wholesale distributor for Hot Desert Knights, OTB Video, D & E Productions, Fitch Wood Productions and several others. I'll get long winded if I continue...sorry! But....from the wholesaler's point of view, what are your customers telling you about bareback product vs. condom?

And I want to make this clear, we are talking about retail store merchants and wholesale distributor customers and not gay consumers...I just wanted to make that clear for our readers.

ROB:  I have several clients that will NOT buy films unless they are bareback. I've had studios that I personally represent that have spent as much as 50,000.00 on a film and a lower cost bareback outsold it every time. It's to the point that if the film doesn't indicate that it's bareback I have to alert my customers that it's a condom film; this for the most part changes their opinion.

KEITH: Would you say that barebacking is the No.1 picked gay xxx product that gay consumers want? Because...we have seen condomfeatures holding not only the No.1 position in America on the JRL Weekly Top 100, but we've seen heavy positioning of condom features in the top 10 consistently as well.  Do you think it's a person to person thing? Or, is it the production of the product that determines how well a film does on the charts in retail?

ROB:  That's actually somewhat a loaded question. I don't know what the numbers are from other studios, I can say that my experience shows that my bareback lines yield allot more reorders than my condom lines. I don't deal with the end user, and for the most part not even retail outlets. Mostly distributors that sell to the retail stores. When they reorder a title, 90% of the time it's bareback. I hope that helps answer your question but a better person to answer a question like that would be a web store or retailer.

KEITH: Rob, would you say that your European customers are more pro-bareback or more condom fixed?

ROB:  Europe only wants condom if it's a very niche type. Selling condom films to Europe is like pulling teeth from a gator, possible, but very unlikely.

KEITH: Why is that?

ROB: Your guess is as good as mine Keith. The Europeans don't seem to be as politically driven as do some of the Americans. They'll openly admit to watching what turns them on rather than hide behind what's politically correct. In the end though, the consensus seems to be Americans are more apt to do what they're told rather than what they want publicly, but in private, the numbers speak for themselves.

KEITH: Bill, you've been in the industry of years and you've seen studios come and go.  This controversy really took off just over the past 1 year.  Because prior to 2007, bareback was talked about negatively but not as much as it is today.  What do you think is driving this controversy?

BILL:  It's fairly obvious what is driving the controversy from the answers that Rob has stated and that our sales numbers and your charts indicate.  Sales are up for companies producing quality bareback films. Sales are falling for films featuring condoms.  The anti bareback crowd keeps screaming that "bareback companies are only in it for the money".  Let's lay the cards on the line; we are all in it for the money.  Chi-Chi doesn't direct films or produce films or buy up all the companies he has been buying because he just likes to do this.

He does it to make money.  We all do!  All of us are in business to make money!  It's a good thing if you can do what you like to do AND make money, and that pretty much describes me and all of us at HDK.  A well known director of condom only films said in a forum in NYC two years ago, when asked about bareback films; "when bareback films first started I wasn't concerned, however, now, their production quality and quality of models are now equaling my films and now I'm very concerned because I'm seeing my sales starting to drop as more and more of the public buys bareback films".

That was two years ago.  What he predicted is now happening in a much larger way and they are losing money so now they are calling "foul", and attacking us for not treating models fairly, or accusing of causing the models to get AIDS or projecting us a "demons" only in it for the money.

Several of the major condom only studios are now conspiring to demonize the bareback portion of the industry by making unfounded charges in hopes of turning their sales around or possibly passing legislation to prohibit bareback films from being made.  That is going to backfire against them if they continue.  They are now making allegations against bareback companies in California to Cal-OSHA that we are in violation of Cal-OSHA's standards regarding blood borne pathogens in the workplace.

What the condom studios haven't thought about is if Cal-OSHA ever determines that barebacking violated Cal-OSHA regulations, and then Cal-OSHA must also stop ANY type of sex where the chance of transference of bloddborne pathogens exists.  For example, the condoms only companies won’t be permitted to have one guy even suck the dick of another guy unless the dick is covered with a condom.  They won't be permitted to have one guy rim another guy’s ass without the use of a dental damn.

They won't be permitted to stick a finger or hand up an ass without a glove on it.  On the straight side, the guy won't be able to perform oral sex on a woman without a dental damn or won't be able to have vaginal or anal sex without the use of a condom.  Does the condom side of the gay industry really want to go there?  As they old saying goes, "be careful what you ask for".

KEITH: In all fairness, Chi Chi LaRue isn't available to comment on your statement and we couldn't reach Chi Chi LaRue's representatives prior to press time....

But let me put this question to you both...What do you think our industry should do?  How can the Gay Adult Film Industry come back to one entity and concentrate on providing legal gay adult entertainment for the marketplace?

ROB:  I think that the industry should follow the guidelines that the government sets. Every model by law is at the legal age of an adult. To me, that means they should have the power to decide for themselves what type of films they should or
should not do.

BILL:  All of us believe....and we believe strongly, in our 1st Amendment Rights.  We believe strongly in free speech.  While I may despise the KKK, I believe and will fight for their right to march down the center of town espousing their hatred.  Not because I believe in what they stand for but because I know that if they lose their right to free speech then we, the gay community, can also lose our right to free speech.

The condom side of the industry has to get to a point where they accept what we do because it is our right to do it.  They don't have to like it, but they have to accept that it's legal, that it's not going away, and they have to support it based on the 1st Amendment.  As long as the sex we portray is portrayed by CONSENTING, INFORMED ADULTS, the condom studios MUST accept that.  Because, if they don't, and the right to choose the type of sex in which any of us wish to participate in is ever taken away, then the next right that could be lost could be the right of two men to have ANY type of sex.

That's the way it used to be when the majority of this country had sodomy laws.  Don't think that it's not possible for us to go back to that day and age.  A large portion of the population in this country, primarily the Christian right wing fanatics, who seem to have a lot of power with the current administration, has re-instatement of sodomy as one of its goals.  You can't lose one right without the possibility of losing others.  That example may seem extreme, but with the current make up of the Supreme Court compared to what it was when sodomy laws were struck down as un-constitutional in Bowers vs. Hardwick, it really isn't all that extreme.

KEITH: Bill, It has been stated that bareback producers aren't concerned for the well being of there models.  Is that a true assumption?

BILL:  Frankly, that's the biggest bunch of hogwash the condom side of the industry has ever come up with.  They have no clue what we do on our set to assure the well being of our models.  We've been accused of only using young kids who don't know any better.  Perhaps the Chi-Chi's and Michael Lucas's of this industry should get a new pair of glasses and then look at the models we use.  The average age of our models is somewhere in the late 30's or early 40's.  Sure, we used some in their mid 20's, but take a look at how many we have used in their 50's.  Or, we've been accused of only using models who are hard up for money.

Most of our models have full time careers and they are modeling for us because it's always been a fantasy for them to be in a porn film.  We've had attorneys and doctors who have modeled for us.  As I've stated before, we never have and never will recruit models.  If it were true that we didn't care for the well being of our models, then why is it so many of them return over and over and over again to shoot for us?  They do it because we treat them with dignity and respect.

Most all of them have become close friends of ours and when they visit town they always look us up and we get together for dinner or drinks.

We pay them well.  We treat them well, but most importantly, when it comes to discussions regarding HIV and other STD's, we have a very specific procedure we follow in regards to what we and the model discuss. Then the models who are going to be in a scene together must get together to discuss their health histories with each other and then come back to us and we all sit down and make sure that they are fully aware of each others' health status and that they know exactly what it is they will be doing on film and that everyone agrees that this is something they choose to do voluntarily.  They are adults, they are treated as adults, they are also informed about anything that is going to happen on the set is consensual.

KEITH: Are all of the Hot Desert Knights models tested on a regular basis with the latest tests that are used in the Adult Film Industry today?

BILL:  We do not test our models nor do we require them to provide us with a test result.  First, keep in mind that when we were filming in California, which we no longer do, California has a law which basically says it is illegal to discriminate against any due to his or her HIV status.  If we test or require a test and then we chose not to use a model for whatever reason, it is possible we could be accused of not choosing that individual because of their HIV status.

For that reason our legal counsel advises us not to test.  But, more importantly, requiring a model to produce a test result for a test that may have been taken a week earlier or two weeks earlier or a month earlier, only means that it is likely, assuming the test result is negative, that the individual was negative AT THE TIME THE TEST WAS TAKEN.  It's entirely possible that the model could have become infected with HIV or another STD from the time of the test to the time of the filming.  As you know, two years ago this happened on the straight side of the industry with the straight male model, who had a negative CURRENT HIV test result, went to Brazil and filmed without the use of a condom.

While there he acquired HIV.  He then returned to the United States, still with a CURRENT NEGATIVE HIV test from AIM, and filmed for two straight studios and infected, I believe, three straight female actresses.  For that exact reason, we have always believed that requiring models to present an HIV testing result could be setting up a false sense of security for the models they may be filming with.  We prefer to talk with the models, have them talk with each other and then we sero-sort the models based on their status.  While we are talking about this, let me also say, that if a model applies with us and he tells us that he is negative and a "bug-chaser", he has no chance in hell of every filming for us.  The same with "gift-givers".

We have always been opposed to "bug-chasing" and "gift-giving" and advise every model and every one of our customers of this.  We make this point clean on every film and on every box cover and on every interview I have every done.  We have always told our models and our customer that if they are HIV negative, they need to do everything possible to stay that way and the best way prevent HIV and other STD's is through the use of a condom.  We don't just say it, we believe it!

KEITH: Well Bill tell us, what do you say to those who state "Oh he doesn't test his models, he's just in it for the money".. What do you say to people with those opinions of bareback producers? Should you only be concerned about profits or concerned about your talent and content before anything else?  Forgive me, but I've got to ask the hard questions!

BILL: Actually Keith, it isn't a hard question and I think I've probably already
answered it.  First and foremost we care about our models.  Ask any model who has filmed for us with the exception of a couple of them who we have kicked off the set for drug use or because they try to throw an attitude.  We don't allow the use of any drugs on our set and have in place a drug testing policy for employees and for independent contractors, our models.

When we film, we all get along, and as any of our models can tell you, we have fun on the set.  Profits, as important as they are, are not and never have been the motivating force behind HDK.  Most of the people I call a friend and most of the people in this industry who really know me, know that when I started HDK I had sold a very successful business back in Delaware and retired to Palm Springs.  Starting HDK was not because of money.

Do I want it to continue to be profitable?  Of course I want it to continue to be profitable.  I have employees who depend on their salaries for a living.  We pay our employees very well, we pay for their health insurance and the health insurance of their domestic partners 100% and we have the best 401K plan a company can offer their employees.  Obviously, the company must continue to make a profit in order to provide for these employees.  But would HDK every put the health of a model OR an employee ahead of profit, the question is almost too absurd to even ask, the answer is obviously no.

KEITH: Bill, this is one question, that our viewers and other professional in the business would like to know.  Do your models know that they are being contracted
for bareback films prior to them agreeing to shoot for HDK?

BILL:  Of course.  They can only apply online on our website.  If a model refers someone to us who calls, we then refer them to the website to complete the online model application.  On the first page of the website it says; ALL BAREBACK ALL THE TIME.  When I respond to a model in my initial email, I always mention the fact that it is a bareback film.

If the process continues, I call the model, and during the initial portion of the conversation, I mention it again.  If the process continues from that point we either schedule the model for an interview if he is local, if he isn't local we then send him a Pre-Agreement Model Contract.

If he's local and he comes in to the office, he must first read and sign the Pre-Agreement Model Contract.  The issue of HIV, Bareback and other STD's are covered in great detail in the Pre-Agreement Model Contract.  If the model is ultimately chosen to film for us, he then signs the Model Agreement and Release, which also goes into a great deal of verbiage regarding the issues involved with barebacking.

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KEITH: What's there response when you tell them that this is a bareback gay xxx feature?

BILL: (laughing), they already know it.   That's why they contacted us.  I can't think of an instance where a potential model was unaware that we made bareback films.
It's hardly something we have ever hidden.

KEITH:  In other words, people have the impression and I do want to state for the record, that we are saying that people have implied that models are drugged up, they don't fully understand what they are doing?...etc....  What do you say to people when they make statements like that publicly?

BILL:  I tell them they are either stupid or lying.  Models may be drugged up on the set of other studios, but not one ours!  Two of the biggest anti-barebackers have made the accusation a number of times that our models are too drugged up to know what they are doing.  To make that statement only proves they have no idea how we run our operation.  The fact is, I think they do know how we run our operation but they believe, as Hitler did, that if you tell a lie over and over and over again, enough times, people will begin to accept it as the truth.  I suppose I'm not allowed to mention any names, so let me say this.

One leading anti-barebacking, who has made his reputation by running around as a drag queen,  and another who has made his reputation by creating stupid publicity stunts such as issuing News Releases stating he has died, both of these individuals are nothing more than publicity whores who will use any tactic to gain publicity for themselves and that includes accusing us, or other bareback studios of drugging our models, or encouraging drug use or of using models so young they just don't know what they are doing.  That's absolutely; pure, unadulterated bullshit and they both know it.  If I can mention a name, let me give an analogy between these two publicity seekers and Keith Webb of Titan Media.

Everyone knows Titan's stand on barebacking.  They are against it and always have been.  The difference is that the guys at Titan are honestly against studios making bareback films.  They have their beliefs and I respect those beliefs.  I don't necessarily agree with Titan but I applaud them for their honesty.  I respect Titan immensely and I respect the right to their opinion.

I have exchanged emails with Keith several times, and at all times we have treated each other professionally and courteously.  We have respectfully agreed to disagree.  The last time I had an email correspondence with the owner of the studio in NYC; it was to see if he wanted to participate in a project to produce a trailer targeted at gay youth between the ages of 18 and 25.   The purpose of the project was to produce a film showing young gay guys the reality of what it was like living with HIV or AIDS.  His comment to me was simply; "do not write me again, it is beneath me to speak to you".

KEITH: Again, I want to stress that neither Titan Media nor Keith Webb were part of this interview and aren't here to defend themselves...

Now Rob, I didn't want you to think I forgot you on this. How are the wholesale distributors treating you with your bareback features?  Have you seen sales decrease or increase as a result of the controversy over bareback?

ROB:  The distributors have never shown a preference for personal reasons. They have a business to run, that to me means that whatever sells, as long as it's legal, is what they're going to buy.

KEITH: The Industry has suffered a huge amount of losses with models who have died from complications from AIDS.  This is one of the major concerns of Anti-Bareback activists that feel barebacking should be made illegal because they are killing our youth.  The future of our business!  What do you say to those concerns!

BILL:  I absolutely agree that the gay community has suffered huge losses because of AIDS.  I am living with HIV.  My partner is living with HIV.  Most of my friends are living with HIV as are most of our models.  I have lost many friends to HIV over the years and I was very involved in the fight against AIDS, as Vice-President of our local AIDS organization in Delaware.

I have personally, and HDK has as a corporation, donated many thousands of dollars to various AIDS organizations all over the United States.  We have done this quietly and with no publicity and we continue to do it.  We have always refused to have our donating made public.  This is the first time I have ever mentioned it publicity but I believe it's time to let those individuals, who are attempting to demonize HDK and other bareback studios know, that frankly, we aren't going to sit back and let these lies continue.

More to the point of your question, by far the majority of gay adult models who have passed on as a result of the AIDS crisis did so in the mid to late 80's and early 90's.  Let me turn the question around and say this.  We knew in the mid 80's what was causing HIV.  A test became widely available at that time.  Why then, are some of those who were directing movies back then still producing films with no condoms?  Why did they continue to produce films with no condoms, and vehemently opposed switching to condoms, until 1991?

They knowingly exposed their models to a disease which, at the time, we had no effective treatment for.  Again, not mentioning any names, but if you will simply look at the directing credits of the one person who today is the most "esteemed" director in the business, and who is now buying up other porn companies and creating an empire, and who is one of the most out spoken critics of the bareback industry, you will see where he directed MANY films in 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 and 1991 while knowing the cause of AIDS and how to prevent it.  And, what was the excuse that he used for refusing to allow condoms on his set and continuing to expose models to HIV and other STD's? Simply, "customers don't want to buy films with condoms".

Their is doubt that people are still contracting HIV and people are still dying from the disease.  But, I do not believe that because HDK produces a film that does not show condoms, a viewer is going to watch it and then make the decision to run out and have unprotected sex.  Their are those who infer that is happening.  One of those who have continually made that suggestion is the very same one who threw a temper tantrum on the stage of the David Awards in Berlin recently.

Within a week or two of returning home he began releasing well known films which he has purchased the rights to, as "pre-condom" or "no-condom" films.  If HE really believes it is true that someone sees bareback sex in a film, and then rushes right out and participate in bareback sex, why the HELL is he releasing those films?

The companies who are re-releasing these "pre-condom classics" are doing it to make money, period, and no other reason.  So, you want to talk about hypocrisy?  Don't accuse me of making bareback films for profit over the health and safety our models, while re-releasing films that he directed, and now owns, which he made during a time when he knew what was causing HIV/AIDS and continued to make them because he was afraid that customers would not buy the films if they featured condoms.

KEITH: Bill, will you continue to produce Bareback Only Features or will you mix it up a bit in 2008?

BILL:  Absolutely, HDK is a bareback only studio.  We will continue to make bareback films in 2008 and well beyond.  We currently have a poll running on our website asking the question; "If HDK began to make movies with condoms, would you buy them.  So far a total of 2,604 customers have voted.  48.8% have said FUCK NO, I WOULD CONSIDER IT A BETRAYAL, 34.5% have said simply NO, 15.8% have answered MAYBE, IT WAS HOT, and .09%, less than 1%, have said YES.  Isn't it our job to give our customers what they want?  Of course it is and of course we will continue to make bareback films as long as our customers want them.  And, I'm betting that they are going to want them for a long time to come.

KEITH: Rob, where do you see the marketplace going for bareback from the distribution side of the business in 2008?  I didn't want you to feel that I had forgotten in this interview...

ROB:  Up. The more the anti bareback community cries fowl.
The more units will be sold.

KEITH: Gentlemen, thank you...Is there anything that you would like to state for the record before we conclude our interview?

ROB:  I want someone to answer a question for me that I've been asking for a long time. What the hell is the difference between releasing a bareback film today and a pre condom or now a no condom film? I wasn't there personally, but I'm to understand that CHI CHI denounced the David awards because they gave awards to bareback companies; as well Bruce Cam declined one.

One of which happened to be one of my own represented North American exclusive OTB Studios that beat out Bel Ami for best series with The Cumparty Series. Then promptly came back to the United States and Channel 1 released a pre-condom title?

I could understand the fact that those films were shot before the AIDS virus became known, but knowing now what they do, and as hard as they bash people like Bill and other producers of bareback content. I think that they are hypocrites in every sense of the term if they don't completely destroy every single pre-condom title, or for those of us that understand definition manipulation bareback films immediately and stop releasing the very product that may have indeed showed models infecting one another.

They say we're promoting murder, then they turn around and release the exact same content with a different definition saying, well that's ok to do because it was before AIDS, well, just because it was shot before AIDS, in my mind, shows how truly fucked up in the head people that say that content is ok, but because I didn't shoot it then it's not.

GET OVER YOURSELF GUYS, IF YOU DON'T REALIZE IT'S THE SAME, THEN YOU'RE REALLY IN NEED OF THERAPY! I can only hope that one of them wins a GAYVN award so they can finally give awards for good movies rather than good friends!! Maybe then we'll see Hot Desert Knights win a long, long overdue award for the brilliant films they've been giving our world for the last 9 years.

BILL:  Keith, recently, as a result of the increased negativity and publicity regarding the issue of barebacking and bareback films, I've had a couple of models stop by the house and a few who had called with serious concerns about where this industry is heading and where they fit in.  The models seem to feel as if what is happening, as a result of the attacks against our genre of films, whether the critics realize it or not, is a second, "lower" class of models is being created.  They see where they are being accused of being drug abusers.   They see where condom studios are announcing that models who have ever performed in a bareback film are "banned" from performing in on of their "legitimate" films.

I've even had one of our more popular models tell me that he received a phone call from the owners of one of the most outspoken studios against barebacking, who said to him that he would "do everything in his power to prevent him from working in the 'legitimate' gay porn industry again".  It almost seems as if these anti-bareback studios and critics have set out to create two classes of gay porn actors.  Those who are the "Upper Class" actors, those who only perform for condom studios, and then those who are the "Lower Class" actors.  The insinuation being that those who perform for bareback studios are nothing more than druggies who are infected with STD's and not worthy to perform for the "better, upper class studios".  Whether this is the intention of these condon only studios, I don't know.  What I do know is that this is what is happening with the gay porn industry.  And, if this continues, it is going to tear apart this industry.

What I sincerely hope is that the all of us involved in this industry, the industry of creating fantasies for so many tens of thousands of gay men, can quit fighting against each other and work together to fight against those who would stop all of us from making any type of adult films.  I really believe that with all of the attacks coming at us from the religious fanatics, the White House, State Legislatures, local prosecutors and the Department of Justice, if we don't stand together to fight the battles being waged, we will ultimately lose the war, regardless of the type of films we produce.

Thanks to you and to JRL for allowing Rob and me the opportunity to speak candidly about these issues.

Keith: Again, thank you William and Rob for sitting with us here on JRL to discuss this highly hot topic bareback vs. condom in the Gay Adult Film Industry..

ROB:  It's been an absolute pleasure Keith. Thank you for allowing a business perspective to be brought into this matter!

BILL:  Thanks Keith!

KEITH: Again big thanks to Bill Gardner, President of Hot Desert Knights and Rob Ragan, Founder and CEO of All Boys Distribution for taking the time to do this interview with us here on JRL.

COMMENTARY CLOSING:

I'm sure that you the viewers will have opinions on this interview and JRL wants to know what they are.

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We'll bring you the highlights of your comments over the next couple of weeks. We will be covering this topic more in the future and we can only hope that it comes to an end soon and the industry can focus on more positive topics that can help to enhance our industry into a more acceptable genre for Gay XXX Entertainment to willing Gay Adults everywhere.

Until next time I'm Keith Witchka, staff writer of JRL. Please continue to keep us locked in daily for the latest on the Gay Adult Film Industry right here on JRLChartsOnline.net.

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